Burned-Out Boyz with Jamal Früster

On today's Episode we have a LIFE-CHANGING conversation with Jamal Früster, a life coach, chiropractor and advocate for our healthcare providers. He speaks to us about how he helps doctors and nurses prevent burnout and shift back into living powerfully.

http://jamalfruster.com

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Transcript:

work life balance balance is [ __ ] part of my language but being real balance is [ __ ] and what we can strive for is more so for work life harmony and that does come with boundaries and an ability to say no

well i'm very not too and that's my confession is that how burnt out i am especially because it's friday so you know with that being said we have a special guest an amazing young man jamal frewster he is a life coach chiropractor and speaker and more importantly he's an advocate for our health care providers who who helps doctors and nurses prevent burnout so burnout is the name of the game and i know for a fact that according to this covet pandemic you know i've been burnt down so he's going to help us work through that tell us about burnout tell us about what he does so we want to welcome jamal to the show welcome honored privileged to be here john thank you absolutely it's so much conversation for sure yeah how'd you get involved in this particular topic uh like burnt out positions yeah well let me tell you i mean quite simple uh going through grad school and having an appreciation of a lot of friends that have gotten into nursing in particular more so than medical doctor going to doctorate school i noticed the lack of soul or the lack of anybody home especially during midterms week especially during the grind especially as it goes from fall into winter you know the sun goes away and you just see people kind of just freaking evaporate from how they be so that way you're kind of checking with people like hello anybody at home and you know after seeing this for so long in school and then diving deeper into conversation with friends being on clubhouse and connecting with more and more nurses and physicians now more so than ever it's been very powerful to affirm that this is absolutely it's a universal it's a universal phenomenon moms experience it uh i'm black and peruvian parents have busted their butts you know working doing all the things that are needed in order to provide for my sister and myself growing up and even though i didn't have words for it something that i observed from my dad in particular a collar worker you know humble and just would do whatever it needed to be done he was burnt out because he was working 50 60 70 hours of very strenuous work so i'm in this because uh i know the or have an awareness of the health of the healthcare professionals ironic enough and i know that they need support uh so oftentimes doctors nurses overextend themselves like i gotta i gotta keep serving or i heard in a recent episode sean stevenson the model health show it's like there's this badge of honor that comes with putting others needs before yours and my question is then how does that then serve your patients how does that serve the families how does that serve that furry friend at home and how does that serve you so one day and i agree with you one day it's a bad badge of honor then the next day it feels like a burden so that's uh i didn't mean to cut uh dr tiraj off but uh yeah gotta we gotta tease through that because right now i'm feeling like it's a burden and it's like i'm waiting to hit the lottery real quick no but you know what jamal i think you're right i like how you said it's um kind of the culture because you know we can talk about medicine and specifically um you know it's kind of like oh doctors don't cry you know they just start training and i think because i am as clinton likes to point out a couple years older than him so in 2005 you know i mean obviously i look younger my skin looks brighter than his i have a better personality but yes i am a little bit older um but in 2005 they changed the training requirements you know you couldn't work more than 80 hours a week which is already a lot unfortunately i'm at the age where i worked i did my residency before 2005. so guess what no one cared if i worked 900 hours a week right no one was saying hey you should go home you look tired it was keep working until you know if you're still alive just keep going i remember i had the flu only one time um and you know as an id doc i probably shouldn't mention this but i i called my res and i said look man i'm dragging i got the flu i test the positives like i'll pick you up don't worry about it i was like i can't come to work so that was the badge of honor that's kind of how i trained and that was a lot of generations even before us my father's a physician you know and um he was a time when the reason they say residency or residence because you're a resident of the hospital you live you never leave he's like i never left he actually came from india he newly married he got a residency spa united states my mom was still in india finishing up her medical school so he's like why should i spend money on an apartment i'll just live in the hospital that's what he did um so that kind of culture goes back for a very long time and i think for a long time we were just ingrained that's just the way it is you keep you know you just keep grinding keep grinding but clearly i really would love for you to expand upon this um people realize that hey if the doctors are burned out if they are not taking care of themselves they are not going to take care of patients right so and i would say it's a balance that i find clinton finds every day we work hard you know a lot of the stuff we bring up on ourselves we volunteer for things we figure hey we're docs we should keep working working working but where is that balance and right now there seems to be no balance so we need your help for us for all the listeners out there you know how to achieve that balance yeah great question and i appreciate one you sharing as two things i'd love to touch on that you shared generational expectations generational expectations or cultural expectations per se from home not just medical culture uh the mirror i imagine between us two is one you know coming from india it's the it's the grit it's the sweat equity that you know you're that your father yeah that's a great you know that's a great i don't wanna interrupt you but yes the immigrant uh kind of mentality of you're here work hard what are you complaining about and then you know uh the generation before you gave these opportunities so you just keep taking it to the next level and you know why should you complain so absolutely i like that cultural as well as generational yeah no and that's that's what forms us you know and i imagine when you were observing when you were a kid you know in that primary predominant theta brain wave pattern you're absorbing this into your subconscious you're absorbing this into your being you're absorbing this at a very deep level so when you do move out in the you know realm of residency or going through school you've watched this for years upon years so there's this there's this cultural or generational weight that's upon us with me and clinton i imagine looks a little bit different but similar too i mean my parents were from poverty on that second generation per se so they moved out of the you know out of the poor areas and were able to provide but there's still this because i'm black and hispanic there's this need there aren't a lot of doctors per se that even are black or latino i believe there's about 980 000 physicians there's about four million nurses there's about a little less than a hundred thousand chiropractors in my profession alone we're less than one percent of the profession with black physicians they make up maybe 10 to 15 percent and it's roughly give or take more same for nurses the demographic is a little bit but pretty similar for latinx and for indian there's actually i believe more and eight more asian doctors per se but the vast majority there's this cultural kind of like resistance or this hill we need to walk up with um but i just want to touch on that and one thing one of my mentors dr stephen franson has said is that uh work-life balance balance is [ __ ] part of my language but being real balance is [ __ ] and what we can strive for is more so for work life harmony and that does come with boundaries and an ability to say no can you explain that without the idea can you can you explain why that balance idea because i've heard that recently you know and now i'm hearing again from you but i i always thought that's what we're supposed to achieve and then i started reading new york times articles of why work-life balance is a fallacy so why is that oh that's a great question and one one thing i want to just hint at i think it starts with the language as you just said that's where we're supposed to have this worth like bound so we're supposed to know this or we're supposed to it's like from what box or from what realm because we get to create it so i think the difference between balance and harmony balance comes from an outside in maybe projection or putting in a box harmony comes from checking in an awareness with your needs with you know whether it's for recuperation for community for sustainability for contribution and being able to stem from your values i would love to offer later in the episode you know some nuggets some questions some reflections that people can take away but the ultimate thing is that you you don't know or so no one else knows what your harmony will be until you create it for yourself test it out refine it and you go with these ebbs and flows of life because this is just work gentlemen this is just that anyone listening this isn't factoring in life as it will the health and wealth of our family our friends the community the side projects just as this or the being able to have fun for ourselves we become slaves to this system that wasn't made for us right so we need to create that from inside out and i think um you know people treat you like you know you're supposed to be a doctor 24 7. they don't they don't see that the possibility of you being something other than their doctor so you know i know being you know health care provider in general is all about giving but then at some point you know i feel taken advantage of like even when i'm not working you know patients and friends and colleagues at texas it's like to me it's like non-stop and it's it's like emotionally taxing it's like i'm giving giving giving and i feel bad for admitting it because that's what i'm supposed to be doing but it's you know like i'm frustrated like i want to turn off my phone and then people get mad when you turn off your phone like about get lost yeah it's that need for bounties you said one of the key words when it comes to the gold standard of maslock burnout inventory and that's the gold standard for measuring burnout and healthcare professionals and the primary attribute or burnout factor is emotional exhaustion when you're just tired of being tired like at a at a deep deep level you maybe get five six hours of sleep so of course that's not even an adequate amount of sleep which has a whole parade of health you know detriments per se but even if you are getting that time how much of that is actually restful sleep and where are the energetic boundaries because again that word came up supposed to should my question is who's instilling these values where do these words come from culturally wise and whatever it may be and then that's why being able to set that hard boundary coming from a inundated shame culture in the united states especially now no maxi no vaccine like any and all the polarities of these things now it's a microcosm or an expression of that in doctors or physicians is that a boundary of man i just i'm off the clock and i have a need for recuperation and i just can't honor you in this moment being able to navigate the request for needs as i'd love to one gift that i'd love to share with everybody especially especially physicians y'all got to read non-violent communication by dr marshall rosenberg oh okay so just great recommendation what what the what is the what is the general theme that we should be looking for in in this so great question what this book does i'll

that's the problem i would love to read when i finally get home and read i fall asleep in two minutes which is a sad state of affairs that's a that's a story for a different day but tell me at least this is perfect for you then doc one opportunity that this uh this book might give you is the ability to communicate what's alive inside you to your staff to your to your boss to whoever as it gives you a language and it's i think it's the most potent tool especially in this era of communication and the speed of things being able to communicate where is it that you notice what is it that you feel and make a request for needs to be met there's about nine to ten core needs for every human every human needs it kind of correlates with maslock's hierarchy of needs as a lot of people might have been exposed to that and going through psychology and that's not just some cute triangle to memorize no that's literally how you can be able to ascend these different rungs of needs that then lead to self-actualization but self-actualization to me simply means freedom and expression and if you aren't being met at the biological need of sleep water recuperation healthy organic like quality actual food then you're not going to be worried about uh community then you're not going to be worried about you know home life and what that might look like and then let alone being able to serve at a high level so this book offers a way to communicate needs in the health care profession in the hospitals in the clinton in the clinics let alone amongst each other versus taking things so offensively or working out of a shame based kind of origin oh it's a lot of a lot of things going on there we i mean you know i i think it's just a culture uh you know like you mentioned before and i think that has changed somewhat i mean i think part of that has been um uh with the acceptance that you know killing yourself during residency does not make the same make a better physician uh but there's still you know when i was doing my training there were still people said man you're lucky you get to go home every third day you know my day was every second it was almost like you said a shame culture you know where um if i told someone i'm q3 which means you know for those out there who don't know you know you're on call every third night in the icu that people would say what are you talking about you know that's easy i my day was q2 you don't know you guys are having too easy and now we're older we might say man the millennials they have it easy students you know but that kind of goes on and on and on and then after all you kind of realize that hey you know what this is a broken system um and then of course if you throw a covet on top of it and then you know for anyone that's in medicine out there we won't get into all those details then you throw in emrs and regulations from medicare and insurance companies and all those things on top uh you know one thing i want you to kind of just address is you know as a physician you know i was just commenting clinton the other day on parts of all these different chat groups on social media and a big this a lot of these things are physicians looking unfortunately a significant amount looking to get out of medicine retire early and even really you know i'm almost amazed and when i first saw this i'm like man you spent all this time going to med school residency fellowship training why are you looking to leave after eight nine years i'm now 14 years into it you know i have after my fellowship um but then i realized these are people that they're willing to take pay cuts you know it's not because they are lazy it's just that they can't take anymore and so i realize this is not just some person an isolite incident this is across the board these are huge numbers of people that are looking for a way out and that clearly is a reflective of a of a system that's broken so i mean so particularly for what do you offer what what do you suggest that we do yeah well quick quick side note clinton i feel like there's a layer coming in yeah yeah yeah i think um part of the problem is there's this bar this barometer that i don't know doctors in a service or it just helps i keep saying doctors but uh healthcare professionals have to meet to be adequate like to be a good nurse to be a good doctor to be a good chiropractor a dentist whatever you have to be giving and you be good at giving and quality and stuff like that so part of that is self-inflictedness because once you don't achieve that once you say no then you know you've even given up on the system yourself so how did you have to navigate through that too i mean i'm sure you did but how did you how did you address those situations where you were just able to say i need that that harmony again that's a great question and i just wanted to dive and reflect uh being able to one be aware of kind of like where is your enough like where is your rock bottom and true people might be swimming there might feel freaking stuck there and one thing i want to just hit home i've been there myself my it was more so when i was younger in the quarters i stretched myself too thin like going to all these different clubs working to study trying to figure out what i think i think the saying was you either have a social life you're good at academics or sacrifice sleep and there's another thing because then there's business you got to understand with my profession and then there's your philosophy then there's the adjusting technique so you have to pick so to speak one of these but you're going to lose out on the other and i was in a space where i was depressed the level of thought or the quality of thought was so horrible i was homesick i just got out of a bad relationship i had different family things going on and then you put on school and then me stretching myself to thinner what uh we like to say is overextending of self and that was my lowest point and what i had to do was work through my [ __ ] which was beginning to bring acknowledgement and awareness of okay where are these unmet needs or where does this this need to keep showing up keep showing up or this value of excellence which is amazing to have but it wasn't defined so that just led to this never being good enough kind of deal until i was able to surround myself around with people in a community which i think is one of the biggest antidotes one of the biggest biggest needs to as well um being able to be in a community that acknowledged the pain that acknowledged and saw me for who i am what i was going through and that provided safety for them me to then move and navigate through and recreate myself my vision my purpose my mission and that way that those become anchors to me what are my what are your questions for everybody listening what are your core values and are you operating out of them because minor gratitude love collaboration family and uh and exponential growth and if i don't structure my life let alone my purpose from that bedrock then i am bound to be out of alignment with my soul or what how i'd like to move at a very depth level so to answer your question and to pile on to uh doc's question was being able to ask the questions of what is my dream why am i doing what i'm doing why am i here who is my community and who can i lean on because there's this islanding kind of syndrome i have noticed yeah more so the chiropractor is outside when they graduate that they kind of fall off the face of the map i'm part of sabka or the student american black chiropractic association and one thing is their goal is to begin to build that network build that safety net i'm a part of a chiropractic fraternity that's been around for over 100 years and it's about building a network building a brotherhood that is honest similar trajectory similar path similar purpose and being able to lean into each other because there is life and then there's school and then there's work so asking deeper questions of reflection and uh surrounding yourself around individuals that can catch you and being allowing yourself to be caught right allowing yourself to not just be the the hustler or being the one that has to prove something and i challenge people to whether it be go to therapy whether it be go to acupuncturist or somewhere where you can begin to even do the deep work and that's not some esoteric right like term i'm using no that's something that only you know what you need to heal and a lot of inner child work also comes with that because going all the way back to doc's original point watching his father he was literally ingraining this this this value of excellence i imagine and more and then we be out of that so there's a lot of wounded adults walking around that don't even know who they are which then they go into this system that's not sustainable and it only gets exacerbated from there you gotta tell me what your background is because like you were and that's what impressed me about you like yeah absolutely these profound statements aren't out of the mouth of a normal guy you know this is like you're very passionate about it and i you say you were interested because you had friends and people around you but i think there's deeper there's deeper interest like and like um it looks like you found your passion and your calling so i'm i want to thank you because i also want to touch on the point you hit um that that resonated with me you said knowing yourself and finding your triggers because i know exactly what my triggers are and i think if i say no to those triggers that may change my whole outlook on it so am i am i triggered to you sometimes do i make you anxious and nervous just when you tell bad jokes oh um no i'm kidding of course but uh i think i would like to know what your triggers are my most recently is um not being able to um disconnect from work like if i come home i hate being called about hospital stuff if i'm not around i'm not on um if i'm at the supermarket do not come up to me asking about your me you know it's like that and i feel bad saying that but you know that but i also feel good saying it because you know people will keep taking advantage of you until you you know that it hurts you inside so question for you doc yeah as i feel like this is a real opportunity what is the unmet need behind that feeling so i heard that you have feelings of frustration a little bit of anger and that's just a real boundary so what is your need underneath that my need is to see me as a person not just a a provider like like it to me it's like take take take like no i can't fill out this paperwork for you a saturday night you know like i had no desire to to give 24 7 and you know part of me struggle with that being just a selfish desire but then i realized it's like it's more than me being self it's just me knowing what i need right like being able to say no i've struggled with so much but i think i think a problem that's reflected because a lot of us um our identity becomes a physician right we always say it's not a job not occupation who we are in a large part it is who i am it's almost like when i tell people man if you give up being a clinical physician it's like going from the military to a civilian how do you do that you know i know um when my dad retired a lot of his friends were tired you know some of them had issues because their whole identity uh was being a physician and so now that we're in active practice clinton i echo uh dr coleman's you know clinton's uh sentiments but how do you draw that because you know for me i feel like okay during the time of covet how do i turn my phone off when people are asking me questions all day long and yeah specialty right and um and i've developed you know in head first like a lot of us here at holy name and you know and my colleagues including clinton but then i realized it's been a year man i think it's a year my life gone you know and uh you know i know there's a lot of people have suffered but um i i always help with this i i always uh and i think clinton does too in one way you want to be around 24 7 be a physician be uh uh um and you know and constantly be on and constantly be available and being a pill you know a person who people look up to so to speak in the community as an expertise but then sometimes you're like man this is too much i can't take anymore and then i'll feel guilty for thinking that like i'm off this week and i was telling someone i'm gonna put my phone away i'm not on call but actually the reality is because of co-writing questions and vaccines and therapeutics and blah blah blah if i put my phone away there'll be 25 text messages by tomorrow morning of you know should i get the vaccine what kind of vaccine blah blah and then i feel guilty about um about not answering it but then i also uh should feel guilty because i'm off this weekend and i've seen my family very little relatively speaking this past year and it takes away time from them so i think you mentioned and someone told me once the four burners it's very hard to have your job health uh i don't know uh like relationships and something else all cooking at the same time you know so basically if you give to one something else is going to suffer and i think um i think that's what clinton is saying too it's like uh because i i i think we both kind of struggle with that issue of we feel guilty for saying no and then we don't say no you feel angry it's almost like guilty angry guilty angry and stressed out it's a constant like triangle of emotion we're having therapy here i feel like who knew that really this is a therapeutic therapy for us you're being hurt gentlemen that's what happened that's what happens when you're hurt gentlemen and yeah i know what we appreciate holmen i'm here for it uh there's a big need to be understood there's a big need to be seen as a human and one thing i just want to touch on that you mentioned doc was going from doctor to civilian and one thing to tie in you know a little bit more of my story i got to appreciate to this to extent i was a d1 sprinter and i suffered an achilles injury my senior year and ironically enough in that injury i had to step away from track and i questioned myself question my identity because you're poor you're when you're on scholarship you're you're you're you're owned by the school you practice when you practice you lift when you're supposed to lift you go wherever the team goes and you do whatever you need to and with that application now to being a doctor i was able to already recreate who i needed to be and who who i was and that's actually where i discovered chiropractic in that small year where i had to recuperate and focus on self but tying into what you said doc that one thing i want to offer for both of you it's not on all of you the weight of the world it's not on just you yeah it's not on your shoulders to save your community it's not on your shoulders to save your friends it's not on your shoulders you what you guys are expressing or what this is a symptom of is a system of health care that hasn't been working and it's a symptom of the united states being the sickest first world country in the world in the world you guys are having to deal with uh 94 of people or more people who had been experiencing coping systems or even passive coping symptoms had two or more two or more chronic diseases which could be prevented with lifestyle yes yes yeah of course i mean you guys are you guys are that's why that's why i do what i do because nurses and physicians for this exact reason have been have this burden because we have to say that's why healthcare heroes when i first started hearing that i was like that's interesting and i asked one of my nurses friends about that and they got pissed because that puts a responsibility of us needing to save people who can't even save themselves because one they're in a culture that doesn't even let them know about organic foods or what's the difference or what pesticides are like why is our food poison why is our water poisoned why aren't we being encouraged to move better why aren't we being encouraged to do these little things i finally got this right so take a good night if you guys are listening to this podcast just picture a water bottle every single day you need to go to the faucet you need to put a little bit of water or a little bit of life into this water bottle especially if you're a healthcare physician so that way you can drink that's where you can drink some of this this good water this good life juice that's in here so then you can pour into your people and that comes with movement breath work meditation mindfulness recuperation my immersion the big one i know that's a big one right because i think we're constantly moving all the time and i don't i don't want to harp on us i think it's a lot this is applicable to everyone else it's for everybody hey us i hear when you say us i hear a human being when you say us i hear health care providers so i just want to record that for everybody you don't hear uh just me and clinton hanging out and feeling stressed out but that idea of mindfulness can you just just touch on that because i feel like that's so important and uh i feel a lot of us have none which is i'm assuming you mean we should be living in the moment being aware what our surroundings what's happening but instead we're just moving from a to b to c without really any uh acknowledgement around us yeah uh i love how you say should once more because it's just an opportunity we get to we deserve to live in the present moment because that's all we have and people like oh it's corny and i used to think the same thing until that's where you can check in

man how am i doing what are my needs how's my heart rate am i happy am i smiling when i walk into this room with a patient do i have a frown on my face and do i look freaking exhausted how am i able to show up for someone if i can't show up for myself yeah that's it can be something simple as simply a breath in a breath out before you walk into another room before you do do do do do do do but instead mindfulness is a portal for you to be because it's not about what you do it's how you be that can actually invite people to see a life that they can live once more get back to a state but if we're just stressed and we're literally killing ourselves and this is where the chiropractic comes in uh if you are on this drive say for my people listening to this podcast if your foot's on the gas the whole time and you're just on this very sympathetic state which is a keep in mind this is a nervous system that's only supposed to be there for a few seconds and is in reaction due to like a bear a saber-toothed tiger something that was literally going to kill us so the blood can divert the energy can divert from your gi or your gut from all these different spaces and into your muscles that way you can get out of there however take the nurse take the physician they are now on that very sympathetic state dealing with death and the emotional stress that comes with people dying under your care under your watch quote unquote keeping them in the sympathetic state that was only supposed to be meant for a few seconds and mindfulness is an opportunity chiropractic helps you shift from the sympathetic state to this parasympathetic state to allow the brakes to come or just take your foot off the gas so that way you can truly rest and digest you can process the trauma and the secondary trauma and the compassion fatigue that is very real and is stacked up as more stress it allows your body to process the emotions and what it's feeling so that way you can i call it i call it the dirty windshield all this dirt all this dirt is getting on this windshield you got stress from work stress from life patience whatever it might be it allows you to wipe this windshield so that way you have a new lens to see life because dr bruce lipton and the biology of belief your lens or your perspective dictates your biology and i imagine i imagine if you are able to be able to be in a more relaxed state of mind and being that you're going to be able to show up and make better decisions better life decisions for yourself and for your people so it is literally imperative that doctors and nurses and people that are stressed in this time the pas everybody can be able to shift back down so that way their body can do what it's meant to do and that's rest and recuperate so you can be present when you're going through your ted talk man because this is uh this is i don't know whenever they could be right but man that's why i'm glad i can be here and connect with y'all and just keep showing up and efforting with this this need that's so important because i'm like i like to say i provide for the providers the providers aka the humans can show up for their families and the people that they get to be around like that's just that love at home like so i try to bring awareness to well how are you showing up and what my coaching sessions look like it's a lot of just doing this on the zoom call on this podcast episode holding a container so that way you can slow down you can process some of the questions asking things like what's most important where is that stemming from um and move people to consciously create their lives because yeah you're a doctor and you're also a human being and what does dr coleman love to do what does dr cigar love to do like how do y'all like to move what brings you life what do you want to do in this life yeah yes you want to serve and that's your occupation but it's not your life baby what are your dreams what do you want to do because we're both i'll say you both are young men still have a little you know yeah i'm a little younger and how are you going to show up is only a matter of state of mind you know that and if your state of mind is stressed doc if your state of mind is always need to be on the job doc how old are you yeah you know i told people and we're aging ourselves quickly with this job yes yes i had a nice beautiful head of hair before i started this job you know so i bet i bet i guess i guess that's pathetic and all that cortisol really did a number on me but um um let me um the reason why i asked about the um the tattoo i was being i was joking but no i really think the um i want to pick your brain do you think the solution to this can be done at scale like i know you do individual coaching but you think that'll work to get doctors as a community where they need to be or how can you do what you do at scale that's the question that's a great question and i humbly bought my hat too i believe his name is uh dr dyke drummond i was just on a webinar last week with uh facilitated by jonathan fisher he is a cardiologist amazing individual and he's he is a force with ending physician burnout okay and quite literally doc it needs to be a systemic scale so we need a conference we had a week a monthly call oh yes yearly and i'll be i'm happy to interweave and you know give all the links and connect y'all as dr drummond has coached over 40 000 physicians through burnout and he works with the hospitals to make it a top-down approach because when we're able to examine like the reason why hospitals don't want to dive into life coaching or mortalities or whatever it might be for their physicians because it's an expense so we talked about being able to offer it as a means to to prevent physician turnover one two because to for a physician i hear to turn over for like a year it's like a million dollars or more yeah all the time and energy and training it's a huge expense so they have a look at his upfront costs that's gonna make people happier and yes if you look at the bottom line etc uh you know a better better line down the road as well yeah yeah then um i believe it's our individual oh you're fine that's why i love doing what i do but i'm still working to attract my mentors and me get more efficient to work with more people doing what i am doing so that way eventually it's in the hospitals and the the ceos or cmos can begin to distill it but it also comes with leadership intra-physician-wise to lead each other build that community and it comes with working with the nurses in better collaboration inter professionally and then where i come in is being able to work with the physicians one-on-one but i also do zoom calls happy to do hour trainings 90 minute trainings or eventually you know seminars of my own eventually to be able to take care of people in one of my dreams is also to be able to get into hospitals or bring docs out of hospitals and be able to lay hands on them and be able to facilitate their health child practically because we're helping you reset your brain and helping people like it's no small thing we do but due to the cultural awareness of chiropractic there's not as much value there now anything we just deal with headaches and back aches but mike baby all those correlate with a dysfunctional nervous system so if we can optimize your nervous system function then we can take care of people so individual and systemic it needs to happen and health leadership is the bigness of all this i think that's a great point because um both dr sagar and i we uh we're administ part of administration in the hospital so we frequently deal with physicians in our departments who are either impaired for some reason um or have decreased quality of care um you know there's there's steps in place if official physician is impaired whether it's from alcohol or drugs but we don't really have much about mental and or emotional impairment um now i'm sure if we were to actually talk to the doctors nurses or the staff i'm sure and we had a way to gauge their impairment i'm sure the the numbers would be off the charts so i for one would be happy to have you come work with the hospital i'm sure there's a need for it i just i just think that we haven't really uh haven't uh been proactive about doing that because it helps uh it helps our quality too right you know yeah and you don't know like it's not or it's just not talked about that's why i'm working to get more efficient louder and collaborate on social media because people like i see so many memes nowadays or on different like they have the meme pages for doctors and nurses and one what passed me up uh i think it was like a few months ago i was like man whenever cove it's over i'm gonna create a bar for nurses and doctors and they're going to drink for free and i was in is i laughed but at the same time i'm like no that's just putting more poison inside you that's tot that's literally toxins you're just drowning away the very real physiological stress emotional stress anguish and pain that y'all going through but y'all don't got to do it by ourselves and you don't have to turn to try to fill this void there's people that are here that want to support you and that want to shift the culture because if we can create a better environment for our physicians for our nurses for these hospitals for the the ants or the cells that animate them to thrive that's going to reset the energetic grid of potentiality for patients it's all over and then they're going to show up differently before we go home so it's a it's a very interconnected like dream approach in that and system that that needs upgrades and that i know that it's on the way when yeah so jamal on social media i mean so where where can people find you on social media because i think obviously we know we now have as qui clearly established this incredible need and you clearly can fulfill that need but you know if people want to find you uh how do they reach you what's your website where do i sign up man i'm i'm ready that's right for a complimentary class you know here for it uh my easiest way to access me is at dr dr jamal fuster on instagram uh i'm the only one thankfully my name combination so really easy to find i'm adding some tweaks adding some tweaks to my website which is jamaalfooster.com as well it's like 80 percent done but find me on instagram i'm on facebook i'm on linkedin as well uh jamal fuster if you need help spelling j a m a l we do two a's um and then f r u s t e r um i heard you um i heard you on clubhouse and i was like who is this dude talking all this like this gospel yes and i was like someone told me about and i was just went to one of like the health innovation rooms or something like that i was like this this guy talks like he's way beyond his years and i was like we need to talk to him because um i think that energy that you put out i think it should be spread as far as it can be spread so i'm dragging today you know it's a friday long day in the hospital but your energy has awoken me so i mean i i think it's not helpful it's palpable i was just transferred across right now clinton's like falling asleep in the back of his chair you know sometimes and he is awake and ready to go and uh you know so your energy is a force to be reckoned with for sure i appreciate it and i just want to affirm like it's coming from a very genuine space in case that's very we could tell yeah that's obvious it stems from i'm i'm living a very purposeful life so a question and an offering for you know your audience and even for you gentlemen to reflect on in this moment or later on is you know why are you here why are you doing what you guys choose to do because we do choose our reality marinate on it and give yourself permission to dive deeper with it as when you can move from one of my mentors dr brett jones uh who's he's a he's a modern day shaman but he is massively insightful and i've gained a lot from him i'm only a product of my mentors i'm only a product of my communities and living a purposeful life or a life where you're moving not out of this i should and and supposed to but out if i get to from a space of resonance of suffering a space of resonance like i don't want anybody to have to experience what i experienced and i already know people are experiencing it and differently i would say worse but i say people are experiencing it differently in different ways because i went home and i would shut that door and feel like i'm going to war with myself and that's people's realities when they're just walking dead as a zombie in the hospitals let them in the car when they're breaking down and they're crying let alone how they show up at home and how that's impacting things so i just want to be able to just be able to be a light be a sun ray and be able to invoke that within everybody because i imagine y'all got into this profession because you want to help people all doctors do you know and it's just it's just a sad state of affairs when you see how many are unable um because they're not you know unable to help themselves um yes every doctor went in you know at the end of the day to help people that's what they want to do that's what they wrote in that on that that med school application um but then you know how they help themselves is not always so clear they teach you how to help other people but not necessarily help themselves and that's a part of the culture because i asked as i'm in the final few weeks of my schooling per se as i am in an exam doc at the source chiropractic shout out to my sorcerers out here um in oakland california however it starts in school as dr melody black on my mentor says the strategies and how you be in school bleeds exactly into how you pee as a doctor so if you don't have this awareness even as a student then of course you're going to forfeit that when you're a doctor because it wasn't in your awareness that's why as a chiropractor as a life coach i just say oh as a life coach i'm a chiropractor for your mind and soul and i help identify the dysfunctional patterns belief systems that keep you in this cycle of should needs supposed to help give an adjustment to that so that way on the other side you can step into more constructive patterns more awareness because you don't need a life coach but if you want to be able to appreciate a different perspective and a cleaner windshield i'm here for it because you have the ability with this sweat equity that you're cultivating like you're a powerful individual like y'all are doctors doctor means teacher but doctor means leader at the same time and if you can't lead yourselves then what are we doing

that's a lot of inspiration you are indeed a healer you know for the soul and then we'll i guess you've inspired us to be a podcast for the song so you know we're gonna have to keep uh working towards that but uh we want to thank you so much for coming on today this has been uh i'll be honest i mean i know clinton told me about you but just finally talking to you uh is really something else so it's really uh you know you are indeed a force to be reckoned with and we look forward to seeing what you do in the future and uh you know hopefully talk to you again uh very soon but we want everyone out there to certainly find uh you on instagram at your website and uh clearly you have the ability to help many people you know that's really needed so we thank you you know from bottom of heart thank you so much i received that and i appreciate that doc has i'm beyond honored to be able to be on the recommended dose which that's a fire title by the way like that's a fire title and an officer fire guy came up with that

over there that's right in case anyone wants to dive deeper too i'm i'm working on marketing myself better it's not my genius my genius flow is in front of people in connection uh but i also have a podcast called soul coffee okay awesome enjoy yourself so that way you know your souls can be a little caffeinated and move a little bit differently i got about 18 episodes on there anywhere from life coaches chiropractors neuroscientists so a whole spectrum but all coming back to a deeper way to live and cultivate our thought fitness that's my bigness with that's my big intention with it to be able to cultivate the soil that people then have these different thoughts dreams beliefs actions values stem from so if y'all need a little bit more or you know your people feel free to put on soul coffee and tag me or let me know and best believe check it out i'm here for all gentlemen so i just want to say thank you from the bottom of my heart for being able to connect you all in this capacity awesome man thanks for coming on all right as always you know a fantastic episode we want to thank all the listeners for listening recommend daily dose dr sauger my co-host and uh gentlemen who one day will be complete we'll see you dr clinton coleman find us listen to us rate and review until next time be well thank you very much